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Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:03 am

(Not able to post this in the forum tech section - hope it's ok to be addressed here.)


I understand further development of Blue Mars for the PC/Laptop is on hold indefinitely. And that the focus is currently on mobile apps.

But if I want to access the grid now - as is- and via a laptop is this video card sufficient?:

AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB (didn't see it on the systems requirement list)

Considering buying a new computer customized with it rather than the "Dynamic Video Memory" option. Which seems to be a repeat of some form of Intel Integrated Graphics. The one I'm looking at:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-n ... -15r-n5110

It has 4 GB of RAM (single channel) or an option for 6 GB of RAM (dual channel). I still need to find out if I can add memory. If there's an additional slot to add 4GB more to the first one I could use the extra. If anyone here happens to know about this issue as well, please post.

Thank you~
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby DanielRavenNest ID:DanielRa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:33 pm

The Dell Inspiron you linked to, in the specs for graphics says:

Intel HD Graphics/HD Graphics 3000 with up to 1.6GB Dynamic Video Memory

If you look on this table for graphics cards, you will find it on the right near the bottom:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2964-7.html

You need to be about 6 tiers higher on that chart for acceptable performance for Blue Mars.

According to this page: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6470M.43075.0.html the 6470M would be OK to use. Scroll down the page to the Crysis and Crysis Warhead performance listings. Blue Mars uses the same graphics engine (CryEngine 2) as those games, so performance will be similar here. In general, any graphics card reviews that use Crysis as a test
can be used to rate that card for Blue Mars.
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:55 pm

Thanks, DanielRa!

That helps a lot...also your suggestion to compare to other games that use CryEngine 2 makes a lot of sense:

DanielRavenNest ID:DanielRa wrote:... Scroll down the page to the Crysis and Crysis Warhead performance listings. Blue Mars uses the same graphics engine (CryEngine 2) as those games, so performance will be similar here. In general, any graphics card reviews that use Crysis as a test can be used to rate that card for Blue Mars.


Appreciate you clearing the way for me to see what practical info I can extract from other pages, too, like the one you posted above.

And you're right about the link I posted re: the Dell computer - it was incorrect, apologies! :o(
The one I meant to add is the next price 'level' up. When I last checked it was at $699.00 (before any customization that might be added). But I'll still be sure to confirm with Dell re: the video card, etc.

The tab further down the page - and below the other computers/images they are showing - says, "Tech Specs" in case anyone else wants to check it out:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-n ... -15r-n5110

I think I'll be ordering it this weekend.

Thanks again~
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:01 am

Forgot to ask:

So far I'm still planning to get the computer. But if anyone knows:

Is the AMD Radeon HD 6470M a card I could switch out with a higher tier one if I wanted to do that sometime later? I remember reading that at least some of them could be accessed and replaced - unlike the Intel Integrated Graphics. I'm wondering whether it's possible, not only with the AMD Radeon HD 6470M, but also for all dedicated cards? "Are they all accessible - or do some computer makers, regardless, place them in the machine in places we can't get to? Or can't get to without the aid of a professional/specialist?

I imagine the answers are likely obvious and simple to computer pros. But I'm still navigating the tech forest and it's pretty thick with trees. :oO
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby DavyRocket ID:DavyRock » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:39 am

If memory serves me right, I believe the video is integrated within the motherboard. Don't quote me on that, been along time since I worked on a laptop, but I am pretty sure of that. I do believe you can get a pcm cia "external" video now. If so, no since in buying a new laptop just for the video upgrade. Worth checking out anyways.
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:57 am

DavyRocket ID:DavyRock wrote:If memory serves me right, I believe the video is integrated within the motherboard. Don't quote me on that, been along time since I worked on a laptop, but I am pretty sure of that. I do believe you can get a pcm cia "external" video now. If so, no since in buying a new laptop just for the video upgrade. Worth checking out anyways.


Ok, thank you...I'm going top talk to Dell in a little while. But I'm still looking around and am open to other ideas for a new laptop.

I've pulled up some links re: pcm cia "external" video info. Though if I go that way I'd still need a new computer: the one I've been using is more that 4 years old and it's very tired. Need more on board memory, too - I've already maxed it out for the machine I've been using.
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby Josie Blue » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:41 am

Hi There!

I often use a lap top. The one I have is an Alien that I purchased from Dell. Be sure you get a graphics card with 1 gig on board memory and get as much RAM as you can afford. I have 8 gigs. Four should do it, but with RAM, more is a good thing.

Good luck!
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:04 pm

Josie Blue wrote:Hi There!

I often use a lap top. The one I have is an Alien that I purchased from Dell. Be sure you get a graphics card with 1 gig on board memory and get as much RAM as you can afford. I have 8 gigs. Four should do it, but with RAM, more is a good thing.

Good luck!


Thanks, Josie Blue!

& maybe this can help save someone else some time if they are considering a new Dell...

Following the mystery disconnections after they tried to ask me tons of 'car dealer' questions & I requested that they please answer mine...during my 3rd call to the company they finally revealed:

RAM: 4 slots 1 each to = 4GB - which can be replaced by 2GB memory cards X 4 to = 8 GB.
The choices advertised for that model/price are 4GB (1 channel) & 6GB (2 channels)??...& not sure why the rep said this
but "it would be a waste of money" for me to double the 4 to 8GB on my own...maybe he meant it's better/cheaper to switch out the 6GB but could not say it per company rules.

I thought it would be cheaper anyway for me to add it myself vs. having Dell do it....but whatever this is about there seems to be a difference between the meaning of "channel" and the meaning of 'slots.'

Video card: DavyRocket was right. The 'dedicated' card: the AMD Radeon™ HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB (Dual) is also integrated, just like the "Intel HD Graphics/HD Graphics 3000 with up to 1.6GB Dynamic Video Memory." So either way I wouldn't be able to replace it. Both options are soldered onto/into the motherboard. Disappointing, to say the least. But sounds like I have the option to use an external card if I chose to do that. They're still looking pretty expensive but at least I could do it with the 2nd generation model (the one with the AMD Raedon).

Note: Just checked mail because the rep asked if he could send a record of his answers to my questions. I said ok & I just found 2 e-mails. One is a "Welcome to Dell!" and, "Congratulations on your new Dell My Account!" letter. Addressed to the name of some guy I do not know. The other mail is a letter that says:

"Thank you for choosing Dell. Per your request a virtual shopping cart containing your new customized system/item has been saved for your convenience at the Dell Online Store...." with the same mystery customer's name as on the first e-mail + an address for him in a USA state that I don't live in...Say what?!!..God help us & I need a whiskey shot after all of that - even though I don't normally like liquor... but not sure how to avoid the heavy sales pushing & all the oddities, etc. Every big company seemed crazed these days... :o0
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby josie blues » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:19 pm

Ouch!
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Re: Dedicated Memory: AMD Radeon HD 6470M (64-bit) 512MB

Postby starlightday » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:26 pm

Update re:

"...sounds like I have the option to use an external card if I chose to do that. They're still looking pretty expensive but at least I could do it with the 2nd generation model (the one with the AMD Raedon)..."

Further inquiries resulted in learning that this is not so...it appears - with this GPU - making use of an external card is not an option. So not really 'dedicated' but 'discrete' would be more appropriate terminology to use. For all intents and purposes its integrated and not switchable - the computer decides when to make use of it.

Still shopping around for now.


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